Teleconference 13 October 2004
Present: Philip Hider (ALIA), Ann Huthwaite (ALIA), Ebe Kartus
(ALIA; Chair), Deirdre Kiorgaard (NLA), Rob Walls (NLA), Julie Whiting
(NLA)
Minutes: Susan Newbery
Welcome
Ebe Kartus, the Chair of ACOC opened the meeting.
Business from 7 September teleconference
No business arising.
ACOC Brochure
ACOC members agreed on a brochure format and design.
Seminar
Progress of the organisation of the seminar to be held in January was discussed.
Part 1 of AACR3
There was a detailed discussion of aspects of Part 1. The main points of discussion are summarised below:
- Comments on Introduction: The introduction is very
repetitive and wordy, obscuring rather than clarifying information. In
particular the Focus for Description which could be substantially shortened
without losing content
. - Organisation of the rules into sections A, B, D and E.
Although sections C & D from ALA 60 have been amalgamated, there is still
some cross over. It was proposed that A, B and D could be further reduced to
general rules plus a combined B and D. It was also agreed that "content" is not
a clear description of section B. Some of what section B covers is content, but
some is not.
- Digital media. ACOC agreed that the separate treatment of
digital media is a fundamental problem. It was suggested that Section A
currently treats print as being basic, whereas print and digital should both be
considered as basic. Digital should not be given special treatment.
- GMD and Part 1 organisation. It was noted that the content
and medium GMD lists are not mutually exclusive. It was also noted that the GMD
list has been substantially reduced, although SMDs could still be used to go
down another level. It was agreed that there needs to be a GMD to reflect
"remote" or "online", as users want to know up front if something is online.
"Digital" does not do this.
- Recorded sound. "Recorded" could be dropped from "Recorded
sound" as it implies a physical format.
- Criteria for general rules. ACOC agreed that rules should
not have to be universally applicable to be included in the general rules. If a
rule is generally applicable to most things it should be eligible to join the
general rules. It is better to have more rules in section A to avoid the need
to refer to other sections all the time, particularly if the rule is as short
as a reference to it.
- Examples. It was noted that all of the examples for edition
are book type examples, there are no "versions" or "releases". ACOC agreed that
although there were some non-book examples, they should be generally integrated
throughout.
- Sources of Information. It was noted that the only
prescribed source of information for the edition statement is the title page,
so if it comes from anywhere else it must be in square brackets. In AACR2 the
prescribed source is "Title page, other preliminaries, colophon". It was noted
that the prescribed source has also been unnecessarily changed in other
instances, making it too restrictive. Two other points were as follows: the
term "formally presented" should be defined; and the idea of 'predominance'
should be incorporated in choosing between sources.
- Scope Statements of Section B rules. The following comments
were made on the scope statements of Section B rules:
B1 Text: "Text" in the glossary is "accessible to naked eye". Scope of B1 goes beyond this.
B2 Music & B3 Cartographic: It was agreed that there was no need for the long lists of types in brackets. Lists should be consistently in or out, preferably out as the scope should be kept as short as possible.
B4 Graphics: Computer graphics are referred to as two dimensional when some can be three dimensional.
B5 Three dimensional: No problem with the scope, but with the idea. It was also noted that B5.1F1 refers back which is against the principle of not referring back.
B7 Moving Images: The scope goes beyond what is needed and should be shortened.


